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PICREADI: In parallel with these developments, President Macron positions himself as a true European: he calls for the creation of a European army to defend the continent against any probable threat, including Russia or even the US. Is this merely a rhetorical gesture? Are his internal and external policies interconnected, not only touching on that but also with respect to the former French colonies and all the other aspects of the Common Security and Defence Policy?
Louis L.: This is going to be my personal point of view, but I think that the French foreign policy today is nothing but colonialist. France is not just a country which relies on its mineral resources and strives towards greater autonomy in both energy and technology sectors, it actually deploys its armed forces abroad, interferes economically and ensures it is getting to sign the contracts for extraction, industrial projects and the like, doing all of that in a very dominant, colonial-type manner. Within the framework of the EU, France considers itself as the second most important country, a country which is powerful and which matters, also as a global actor, thanks to its culture, language, history, progressive society and, as always, because of the importance of the French revolution and the ideas associated with it. Though this list is not complete if we are not to mention as well those French companies, still existing, that hold onto the strategic shares of resources they once acquired.
PICREADI: Is there in France a narrative of guilt before the former colonies or are there policies aimed at silencing or reinterpreting the memories of the colonial past?
Louis L.: What is happening with this issue now is that there are a number of movements, mostly left-leaning, that seek to keep those memories alive. This is not to say they are asking for forgiveness or engage in self-flagellation, they are just reminding the people that France was not, or maybe is not, today, the country that succeeded at putting into practice its ideals of equality, brotherhood and freedom so far. These people want us to think of atrocities France committed throughout its history: colonisation and domination of other countries, the wars it waged against them, the massacres it perpetrated, often justifying its strategy as pursued in the name of the constitution. I thus would not say there is a narrative whose purpose is to hide or cover up what is going on today by drawing attention to the horrors of our history, but rather, quite the contrary, there is a narrative that seeks to liberate us from the guilt, to emphasize all of this is gone and in the past, things are different now, our former colonies came to become free countries that decide for themselves. No efforts are made to distract the public from the modern strategies of the country; instead, the point they make is that there is no use feeling guilty and it is better to stop wailing and go back to the serious business.
PICREADI: Do you not see a contradiction between the post-colonial, metropolitan French identity and that of the EU, its present-day European element?
Louis L.: This question is difficult to answer. First of all, some of the EU member countries have colonial histories much more loaded with violence than the others and then there are countries that have not colonised anybody, but still have their peculiar past full of massacres, genocides or deadly wars. It is fair to conclude that in Europe, generally speaking, there is a conscience of war as a common background for everyone. It can manifest itself in the feeling of guilt, national or not, or in other traces on the level of the country's society, with the spirit of the people bearing memories of the deadly years for generations. If we take the UK, for instance, I believe that its colonial past is mostly left behind whereas we in France are facing the consequences of colonisation to this day. There exist political movements tackling the colonial legacy in different ways: some celebrate it, feel nostalgic about the time when France was dominating other territories and competed for the title of the most powerful country — others point out at the negative effects of colonisation in a way that is just absurd since they look at the children of the immigrants, coming from Algerian immigration for example. This stream of thought is caught in an intellectual paradox: without planning to do so, they make it all the more obvious that the construction of the French identity around one single religion, one ethnicity et cetera is no longer tenable after the kind of the colonial engagement practiced by France, however they keep on pointing fingers to the differences and create a divide within society. In sum, there is a great diversity of developments having to do with the conflictual past across Europe, among them also the aggressive reactions towards our inseparable past.